The holocaust is an emotive subject for many. It still has the power to shock and cause controversy like few other things across the 20th century. It marked one of the darkest spots in human history, some may say the darkest, but it is, sadly, by no means the only example of man’s inhumanity to man.
I have always found a strange curious interest in those like ‘historian’ David Irving who deny the holocaust, more out of a certain incredulity than anything else. Having been to Auschwitz and Dachau myself I wonder what these people make of what was otherwise going on here. What is their explanation for the vast tanks filled with human hair or spectacles or children’s toys or shoes? And the sheer scale of buildings with their evidence of dense human habitation, how could this have happened across the country using the national railways and all if not part of a concerted, co-ordinated policy? What could those involved on the German side have to gain from admitting that it took place, surely they should all seek to deny it, furthermore, if extreme right-wing Hitler sympathisers deny it, do they claim that it was never on the agenda at all? I am interested in what the arguments are for such a denial of what appears to be an unequivocal event.
Is it a matter of personnel, a question of who knew and how systematic was the policy of death? Here the Wannsee Conference would appear to suggest that it was both fairly widespread and went up to the top. Furthermore the promotion of Auschwitz commandant SS-Obersturmbannführer Rudolf Höß would appear to corroborate this, Höß was no ordinary Wehrmacht pawn, an associate of Heinrich Himmler, member of the Waffen-SS and recipient of both the SS Honour Ring and SS Honour Sword. He was also the first commandant to use Zyklon-B as a method of mass extermination following extensive trials on Soviet PoWs in the Auschwitz camp.
I am however also interested in why this episode of genocide is afforded such particular historical significance. It will doubtless remain a major part of 20th century historical teaching for many decades, even centuries to come, which I do not necessarily see as a bad thing, just an inconsistent one if taken in comparison to other such events and their legacy. It is estimated that 6 million Jews were killed in the Nazi death camps and there are memorials around the world to their memory, as there indeed should be. But what of the 3 million Soviet PoWs were also murdered along with 500,000 gypsies, 250,000 mentally and physically handicapped and countless tens of thousands of trade unionists, communists, socialists, homosexuals and other ‘undesirable elements’. These groups are given scant mention and are certainly not commemorated widely outside their own communities. Where is their monument, where is the recognition that under a tyrannical regime whatever guise it choses to hide under the fine line between what constitutes a state normality and what constitutes a threat to security is arbitrary and changeable?
The denial of the holocaust though is in some countries a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment and I am deeply uncomfortable with this because it smacks of the zenith of political correctness. Any such brushing under the carpet of views is to give them an ill-deserved credence in the consequent interest it generates. Yet no other event in history is afforded such protection, it would be unthinkable for legislation to exist to prevent historical revisionism for other dark events in human history such as a denial of the Rwandan genocide, ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia, Stalin’s purges, the Crusades, the Irish Potato Famine even the pogroms against the Jews across Europe through the centuries, the systematic extermination of the indigenous populations of North and South America; Australia and many parts of colonial Africa.
The fact is that this is a case of history viewed from the victor’s perspective. Whilst I agree it smacks of poor taste to classify the Jews as in any way victors in the Second World War, I mean it in contrast to the German position and the ideals that the Nazis stood for. Directly after the defeat of Germany the Soviet Union went from friend to enemy and the groups of the handicapped and the gypsies have been for a long time too marginalised and disenfranchised to wield any real influence.
If one takes Russia under Stalin’s reign from 1924-1953 estimates vary widely as to how many died as a result of the regime ranging at the lower end from 6.5 million right up to estimates of 60 million by people like Solzhenitsyn. The general consensus is settling at around a staggering 20 million deaths around 3-4 times more than Jews killed under the Nazis. In fact it is estimated that between 10 and 20 million Soviets died as a result of the Second World War and undisputed that the Soviet Union suffered multiple times more casualties as a result of WWII than any other nation. In fact the 20 million figure would mean that the Soviet Union suffered as many casualties as all the other nations combined.
The Soviet Union is but one example, directly comparable because it was at the same time in history, I could choose to look at Rwanda where between 500 000 and 1 million were slaughtered in 100 days in 1994 by the Interahamwe. This is systematic extermination far in excess of even what the Nazis or Stalin were able to achieve. And yet in the example of the Soviet Union and the Interahamwe in Rwanda we have not seen worldwide searches to bring the perpetrators to justice, we have not had the International Criminal Court being able to use figures of the nature of Simon Wiesenthal and the like. And yet the US mounted a widespread manhunt to bring Osama Bin Laden in a man responsible for a fraction of the deaths that say Henry Kissinger directly caused due to the acquiescence to a criminally interventionist foreign policy in Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos etc. Far from hiding in the mountains somewhere in the Middle East Kissinger tours the lecture circuit earning money and respect. Presumably because to have got away with such assassination squad diplomacy one must admire his sheer audacity and ability to still be able to sleep at night.
On the flip side we hear a great deal of the genocide attributable to Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia’s killing fields and yet far less of the deaths attributable to US foreign policy in the years preceding the Khmer take-over. The US media had in fact already started decribing the genocide before it had even taken place as Chomsky has shown in Manufacturing Consent.
The number of casualties of the September the 11th disaster stands at 2,752 and this event will be taught across the Western world at least as an event of extreme historical significance, and yet how many people know of the Armenian Genocide (Death toll 1-1.5 million), the Assyrian Genocide (Death toll 500,000-750,000), the Burundi Genocide (Death Toll 50,000-100,000), or the Pontic Greek Genocide (Death Toll 300,000-360,000)? How much about the Bosnian ethnic cleansing is likely to be taught in the decades to come? Outside Ireland how much of the English culpability is looked at regarding the “Great” Potato Famine (Death Toll approximately 1 million +, or 20% of Ireland’s population)? As John Mitchell wrote, “The Almighty sent the potato blight… but the English created the famine.”
Obviously it would be true to say that the number of deaths in these events was not numerically as high as the Holocaust, however “Fascism is not defined by the number of its victims, but by the way it kills them.” – Jean-Paul Satre, and as a proportion of the population or when measured as an impact study on the demographics and subsequent effect on populations it could be argued that, at the very least for the communities concerned, these events were equally catastrophic and in all cases without question the international reaction to these events has been one of relative ambivalence. It would be as dangerous precedent a if we merely based somethings newsworthiness or impact for history on the number of casualties alone as it would were we not to look at all such events in an effort to learn from them. After all the Bosnian conflict and the Rwandan genocide would appear to suggest that far from learning the lessons of history so as not to repeat them humans have in fact learnt the lessons of history so as to hone and perfect the means of further atrocity.
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Included in the large-scale slaughter of human beings was King Leopold of Belgium who’s purchase and subsequent exploitation of Congo land and enslavement of its people resulted in 10 million deaths. This was one of the largest in terms of sheer numbers yet is somehow glossed over as well.
I think one of the differences between Nazi extermination of people and the others lies in the motive behind it. In the majority of instances, there is some objective other than the slaughter of human beings, power, territory, resources, revenge, etc.
The Holocaust was aimed strictly at the elimination of people for no other purpose than to erase them from the earth. At least, at the surface that was the intention. People react to that differently than slaughter with a rationale behind it.
Well, at least that is how I see it. I could and have been wrong before.
sobi
Redbaron responds – Thank you Sobi, an informed and interesting comment. I agree the Belgians must be blamed for a lot of the problems in the Congo and Rwanda. It was in fact the Belgians who first segregated the Hutus and the Tutsis on their identity cards which only served to highlight differences. I agree the Nazis intended merely to slaughter but feel that the ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia and Rwanda has been for very similar reasons and with similar results. As for rationale well I think we both know you can if you choose create a rationale to justify any barbarism should you choose to.
More drooling about the so-called holocaust. The victors write history. Personally I have this habit of thinking for myself, if a subject is labeled taboo I want to have a closer look. When there are laws that mandate prison time for asking questions about a subject I have to wonder what they are hiding. Never mentioned in the sanction version are films like the British documentary “inside the camps” which showed healthy men women and children which were segregated from the ones dying of typhus which made up the mounds of corpses and walkin skeletons they like to bombard us with. The typhus was caused by the total breakdown of German infrastructure caused by the massive indiscriminate bombing of German cities, railways and bridges. Not a single corpse was shown to be gassed, not one. If you dig around a bit there are ample photos and documents that refute the official holycost version. The really galling part is that after over 60 years and hundreds of billions if not over a trillion dollars there is no shortage of bastards claiming to be survivors trying to extort more money. Free your mind.
Redbaron responds – Firstly thank you Hoffman for expressing your views, they are not widely held ones so I am pleased you decided to air them as it always makes for a better debate. I do think that you didn’t really read my article and leapt upon the fact that I had started off by mentioning the holocaust in order to make your political point. I had already pointed out that this was victor’s justice and asked why this genocide was afforded special mention over others I list. However I will look at the points you raise in turn in a blog post and hope that you may respond further there if you are interested in expounding the debate.
Keeps discarding my posts, any suggestions?
Redbaron responds – There’s a spam filter in place so comments need to be approved. I don’t censor stuff but I don’t want a whole heap of some corporate bastard links everywhere either. Post your comment it’ll be shown once approved. I am working on a post to answer some of the questions you raised, you probably won’t like it but hey ho, we don’t write to be liked do we?!-
I can understand if you don’t want cut n paste splattered all over the board but I don’t understand not wanting web links. Whatever you have to say isn’t likely to bother me, I’ve read on the holocaust for three decades and it wasn’t until fairly recently that I moderated my views according to information that isn’t readily available. The factory gassing claims don’t stand up to scrutiny, one problem being the way Zyklon B works- it has to be heated in order to vaporize. The stories about merely dropping pellets in through a pipe in the roof are impossible. Dachau was alledged to have gas chambers for years which has now been discredited. Pictures from the liberation of Dachau show a U.S. soldier standing next to a steel door marked with a skull and crossbones warning of poison- today it is painted over in what looks like a light green with no markings. The alledged gas chambers in Auschwitz are ‘reconstructions’ done by the Soviets after the war. There are still strong traces of Zyklon B in the barracks from delousing yet no traces in the ‘shower/death chambers’. Simon Wiesenthal was a fraud, even Israeli officials have held him at arms length. The one that comes to mind is his drawing of three inmates supposedly shot by the SS, in reality he used a photo from Time Magazine of three German soldiers executed by U.S. troops and redrew them as prisoners. Crematoria don’t operate on a 24/7 basis, minor research will show they require 50% downtime for cleaning and maintanence. They do not “belch smoke” as they operate by holding in the heat to destroy the body. They don’t work like a fireplace with a damper but rather they are designed to superheat. Until the outbreak there were only about 10,000 inmates in the concentration camps not because they were Jewish but rather because they were communists. Google “Judaic Communism, the documentary record” for the flip side of the holocaust story including quotes from Churchill following the Russian revolution. More than a few people marveled that the U.S. aligned with the Soviet Union in WW2. It’s also demonstrable that Roosevelt worked to instigate War in Europe from 1937 onwards- Neville Chamberlain being one accuser, Congressman Hamilton Fish being another. Roosevelt had Communist Party officials coming and going from the Whitehouse throughout his presidency. Google: “David Lloyd George’s
Impression After A Meeting
With Adolf Hitler,
September 4, 1936”. I’ll wait for your post then respond.
Redbaron responds – No it’s not that web links aren’t allowed, I just have it set to wait for approval before posting comments up because otherwise you get spammed to buggery. You’ve given me some more things to research here for which I’m grateful, I’ll post hopefully soon I’ve been somewhat busy of late. –
I’m usually busy myself so I can relate, I can’t get to a computer on a daily basis due to my line of work. I have another piece I just found, I’ll post it now as I’ll be gone for about a week starting Sunday. If you’ll Google “Battle returns to put Nazi ‘Ivan the Terrible’ in the dock” you can read the article for yourself. It’s about the ongoing battle to deport John Demjanjuk. Then Google “My Campaign for Justice for John Demjanjuk”. I was wondering what your take on this is. I’m not trying to bury you in material, just wanted to put it out there before I have to leave.
-Redbaron responds – My take is that I’m always interested to have things challenged as a viewpoint that hasn’t been cannot have any conviction, I am probably orthodox in my views of the Second World War except when it comes to Russia but after the war the subjectivity of news becomes a great deal more pervasive.-
I have found that the lies of omission do as much if not more damage than the factual lies. You have to go back nearly 100 years and sift through the contemporary writings from then through present to begin to grasp it. Most would find it odd that the chief bankers of both Germany and the United States during World War 1 were brothers named Warburg. The Versailles delegations were openly derided at the time as the ‘Kosher conference’. Germany was stripped of huge portions of its territory and was strangled with unpayable ‘reparations’ payments to boot. Every single Communist revolt that broke out in Europe during and after the war was lead and financed by Jewish people- Rosa Luxumberg, Bela Kuhn, Lenin/Trotsky, etc. It would seem a paradox that Jewish Capitalist bankers bankrolled the Russian Revolution but this indeed was the case- Jacob Schiff being but one. A Commander in the American Expeditionary Force named Montgomery Schuyler left no doubt who was in charge of the revolution in Russa at the time. It was also known at the time that most of the Bolshevik leadership went to Russia from the Lower East side of NYC and was almost exclusively Jewish. Lenin has been outed as Jewish since the fall of the Soviet Union, Kerensky was outed in 1918 and his real last name was Adler. The Russian Guards of the Czar were replaced just before the massacre with Jewish guards who carried it out. Stalin has been portrayed as anti-Semitic which was not the case as his chief butcher was Lazar Kaganovich. Now there is a case being made that Stalin was himself of Jewish extraction. You have to go back and read rather than rely on what is available now, thanks to the WWW it’s possible but now there is a rising sentiment to censor the web. Jewish bankers financed Japan for the Russo/Japanese War of 1905. Money equals power. I always thought that the talk of Jews controlling all the money was a quaint cliche rooted in prejudice but if you start paying attention to names you can see that it’s as true now as it was back then. Think of the power that is wielded when financial collapses can be engineered, as can famines as was the case in Ukraine in 1932. If you want to put the second WW into perspective you need to dig back through the 40 years leading up to it. Yes there were attrocities committed by the Germans as there were by the Soviets and even the Americans and British. Factory genocide on the other hand is another matter. Churchill bombed German cities 6 times to provoke a German response so he could draq the Luftwaffe away from bombing British airfields. If you read about it using current sources Hitler went after London with no provocation. Just one small piece of omitted info among countless others.
Redbaron responds – It may be I have to write 2 posts to deal with it all first the issues relating to the historical revisionism in general and secondly to deal with the Jewish question. I shall have a think about how to structure it. I do know enough about WWII to know the roots in the Treaty of Versailles and the Dolchstosslegende and the failure of the KPD and SPD to act together following the Freicorps being commissioned by Ebert. I do however think you have to be very careful when you consider protagonists who are Jewish and taking them to be representative of some global Zionist conspiracy working together. This is tantamount to saying Martin Luther King and Louis Farrakand had the same agenda because they were black or that the KKK and Tony Benn are both part of an Aryan bond. People may have similar heritage and yet very different views.-
I never said that all Jews are involved in a world conspiracy, but there is a very powerful cabal of Jewish bankers who are very organized in manipulating world events. There were Jews who openly practiced their religion in the Wermacht in WW2 but you never read about it. Field Marshal Erhard Milch who was 2nd in command under Goering was himself part Jewish. The analogy of Martin Luther King and Louis Farrakahn doesn’t really work as there is a tracable money trail between the bankers and the Communist revolutionaries. “If you want to read a good book try the inquisitors prohibited list.”- end quote. Try to find the book ‘Icebreaker’ by Russian historian Victor Suvorov, if you can find it. Germany was able to crush the Soviet forces in the first weeks because Stalin had them in offensive positions ready to invade all of Europe within 14 days of June 22nd. Germany seen this and merely beat him to the punch. Try also Benjamin Friedman’s speech regarding the Jewish bankers. He was both Jewish and at one time was in the inner circle.
Here are a few quotes from the time prior to WW2.
“We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany.” – David A. Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934.
“The German revolution is the achievement of the Jews; the Liberal Democratic parties
have a great number of Jews as their leaders, and the Jews play a predominant role in
the high government offices.” (The Jewish Tribune, July 5, 1920).
“The fight against Germany has now been waged for months by every Jewish
community, on every conference, in all labor unions and by every single Jew in the
world. There are reasons for the assumption that our share in this fight is of general
importance. We shall start a spiritual and material war of the whole world against
Germany. Germany is striving to become once again a great nation, and to recover her
lost territories as well as her colonies. But our Jewish interests call for the complete
destruction of Germany…” (Valadimir Jabotinsky, in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934)
“Judea declares War on Germany.” (Daily Express, March 24, 1934)
“Germany is the enemy of Judaism and must be pursued with deadly hatred. The goal of
Judaism of today is: a merciless campaign against all German peoples and the complete
destruction of the nation. We demand a complete blockade of trade, the importation of
raw materials stopped, and retaliation towards every German, woman and child.”
(Jewish professor A. Kulischer, October, 1937)
“Hitler will have no war, but he will be forced into it, not this year but later…” (The
Jewish Emil Ludwig, Les Annales, June, 1934)
I have to go, I’ll check back in when I can.